Comments on: ExpressionEngine 2 and CodeIgniter – Will we see a change in the 3rd Party Market? http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/ From one geek to many others... Mon, 08 Mar 2010 09:37:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: lebisol http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-4099 lebisol Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:19:28 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-4099 Hi there, As user of EE I can say I am thrilled that CI developers will join in. It is quite sad to see only 1 "certified" module while the rest might suffer from Open Source syndrome of "I don't care and have better things to do...or redoing my site now (months)...or there is a deadly goat plague I must tend" from developers. Seeing things such as "we now have a great building material (built on CI) for your house" does nothing for me as a homeowner. I want a 'better' house not a joy over a new drywall material and a potential it represents. On the other hand, I am worried what this will do to EE. Will Ellislab 'sit back and relax' while pointing customers towards 3rd party developers? I mean, why wouldn't they? Look at the "Tag" module...no one of the brilliant minds in EE thought it would be good to add even if the price went up by $20-$30 that users would gladly pay!? Don't get me wrong Solspace is a great bunch of guys who support their products with all of their heart...even freebies they release. Ellislab just seems to be little slEEpy when it comes to competing. Was EE 2.0 built on CI with this in mind - a relief of having to develop it further? Is Rick looking to retire? :) So YES...please do join in because market is there and it needs competition, just go over to the Feature Request forums and your research is done :). Hi there,
As user of EE I can say I am thrilled that CI developers will join in.
It is quite sad to see only 1 “certified” module while the rest might suffer from Open Source syndrome of “I don’t care and have better things to do…or redoing my site now (months)…or there is a deadly goat plague I must tend” from developers.
Seeing things such as “we now have a great building material (built on CI) for your house” does nothing for me as a homeowner. I want a ‘better’ house not a joy over a new drywall material and a potential it represents.

On the other hand, I am worried what this will do to EE. Will Ellislab ’sit back and relax’ while pointing customers towards 3rd party developers? I mean, why wouldn’t they? Look at the “Tag” module…no one of the brilliant minds in EE thought it would be good to add even if the price went up by $20-$30 that users would gladly pay!? Don’t get me wrong Solspace is a great bunch of guys who support their products with all of their heart…even freebies they release. Ellislab just seems to be little slEEpy when it comes to competing.

Was EE 2.0 built on CI with this in mind – a relief of having to develop it further? Is Rick looking to retire? :)

So YES…please do join in because market is there and it needs competition, just go over to the Feature Request forums and your research is done :) .

]]> By: Roy Lindauer http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-4084 Roy Lindauer Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:27:05 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-4084 I am stoked to start developing for EE2.0 with CodeIgniter. I have done a lot of work with CI, and have been using it since day one. One of the ExpressionEngine sites I run has a lot of back-end utilities and systems written in CI that are not fully integrated with EE. But, it looks like with EE2.0 I will be able to completely tie them together. Finally. There might even be some components there that I could release to the community. It's rather exciting! I am stoked to start developing for EE2.0 with CodeIgniter. I have done a lot of work with CI, and have been using it since day one. One of the ExpressionEngine sites I run has a lot of back-end utilities and systems written in CI that are not fully integrated with EE. But, it looks like with EE2.0 I will be able to completely tie them together. Finally.

There might even be some components there that I could release to the community. It’s rather exciting!

]]> By: Steiner http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-4022 Steiner Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:34:14 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-4022 (reply to: brandonrichards) Well, I know that Elliot here was attempting to resurrect "Blaze" and still might be... plus I'm currently working on my own CI CMS that already has a lot of similarities with EE 2.0, the best part about the one I'm creating is that it will be opensource, so much to the point where a footer at the bottom of the site/admin panel won't even be required as-long as it's denoted in the php sources and possibly a small unobtrusive comment in the header's HTML that will only be seen by developers who wish to inspect the code. I do plan on making money off of it, but only through my own "3rd Party" modules I'll be making for it... though I believe a whole market-place will come of it, with more than enough opensource module solutions as well, not forcing anyone to spend a dime. -- Elliot, are you resurrecting Blaze? I'd really like to collaborate if you plan on bringing that back... possibly even get you in (and make you the obvious lead) on Combustion (http://combustioncms.com). (reply to: brandonrichards)
Well, I know that Elliot here was attempting to resurrect “Blaze” and still might be… plus I’m currently working on my own CI CMS that already has a lot of similarities with EE 2.0, the best part about the one I’m creating is that it will be opensource, so much to the point where a footer at the bottom of the site/admin panel won’t even be required as-long as it’s denoted in the php sources and possibly a small unobtrusive comment in the header’s HTML that will only be seen by developers who wish to inspect the code.

I do plan on making money off of it, but only through my own “3rd Party” modules I’ll be making for it… though I believe a whole market-place will come of it, with more than enough opensource module solutions as well, not forcing anyone to spend a dime.

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Elliot, are you resurrecting Blaze? I’d really like to collaborate if you plan on bringing that back… possibly even get you in (and make you the obvious lead) on Combustion (http://combustioncms.com).

]]> By: brandonrichards http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-4011 brandonrichards Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:47:58 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-4011 I think there is plenty of room for EE developers. I hope CI community will get involved and make some of missing pieces for EE. Right now, I'm seriously looking again at using Drupal because of the price point of EE has tremendously gone up and hasn't really offered me too much more value to compensate for that price mark. Yes it is flexible, but for 300.00 we shouldn't have to drop more money for other modules that should really just be part of the system to begin with. Good article! I think there is plenty of room for EE developers. I hope CI community will get involved and make some of missing pieces for EE. Right now, I’m seriously looking again at using Drupal because of the price point of EE has tremendously gone up and hasn’t really offered me too much more value to compensate for that price mark. Yes it is flexible, but for 300.00 we shouldn’t have to drop more money for other modules that should really just be part of the system to begin with. Good article!

]]> By: Steiner http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3984 Steiner Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:25 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3984 I relish the idea really. I've read that the core of EE 2.0 won't be available like its predecessor was, and assuming that I seriously doubt anyone without a license (freelance developer or not) will be able to make said modules. Granted, barely a dozen modules sold would equate to a commercial license price (which will be required in this case, because you're planning to make money of the end-product) I still don't see a flood of modules from new sources booming the market or even effect it. I've noticed that user-made modules for any script has a tendancy of being created, kept with for a few months and then the developer drops off the face of the planet... WordPress is a perfect example... 90% of the GPL/GNU plugins haven't been updated in more than a year! Anyone who thinks they can go against the big-dogs in the module making process, remember that your customers aren't just paying for your module... they are paying the support and constant upgrades/tweaks that will give them options to their specific needs of it, in most cases anyways. Not to mention user/customers will now have entitlement and feel the have the right to demand things of you. I relish the idea really. I’ve read that the core of EE 2.0 won’t be available like its predecessor was, and assuming that I seriously doubt anyone without a license (freelance developer or not) will be able to make said modules.

Granted, barely a dozen modules sold would equate to a commercial license price (which will be required in this case, because you’re planning to make money of the end-product) I still don’t see a flood of modules from new sources booming the market or even effect it.

I’ve noticed that user-made modules for any script has a tendancy of being created, kept with for a few months and then the developer drops off the face of the planet… WordPress is a perfect example… 90% of the GPL/GNU plugins haven’t been updated in more than a year!

Anyone who thinks they can go against the big-dogs in the module making process, remember that your customers aren’t just paying for your module… they are paying the support and constant upgrades/tweaks that will give them options to their specific needs of it, in most cases anyways. Not to mention user/customers will now have entitlement and feel the have the right to demand things of you.

]]> By: Ralph http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3933 Ralph Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:11:27 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3933 How is having thousands more people creating modules that don't work and that cause conflicts in EE going to help? If this were an open source project that invited developers to identify and submit bug fixes and improvements it would be a much more robust solution. As it stands now, it is a fragile POS (IMHO), which comes with tech support that basically responds to most requests for help or bug fixes with the standard response, "If EE isn't working the way you expected, it wasn't supposed to do what you are trying to do." How is having thousands more people creating modules that don’t work and that cause conflicts in EE going to help?

If this were an open source project that invited developers to identify and submit bug fixes and improvements it would be a much more robust solution. As it stands now, it is a fragile POS (IMHO), which comes with tech support that basically responds to most requests for help or bug fixes with the standard response, “If EE isn’t working the way you expected, it wasn’t supposed to do what you are trying to do.”

]]> By: Gerben van Dijk http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3930 Gerben van Dijk Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:51:05 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3930 Nice article, was wondering about this for myself for a while now.. Will start playing with EE, but I'm not getting rid of CI just yet :) Nice article, was wondering about this for myself for a while now..
Will start playing with EE, but I’m not getting rid of CI just yet :)

]]> By: Kyle http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3915 Kyle Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:42:56 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3915 This article has gotten me pretty excited. I've never actually used EE but I'm very fond of and experienced with Codeigniter. It would be nice to pull in a bit of extra cash doing something I love but I'm not I'm not currently convinced that I could single-handedly pull off the support/maintenance part of it. It seems that the big advantage of developing for the EE third-party market is that you're typically dealing with folks that already expect to pay for stuff that many people can generally get for free with other CMSs. The trade-off, of course, being that the modules come with great support and are well maintained. I guess I'll be looking more seriously into EE soon. This article has gotten me pretty excited. I’ve never actually used EE but I’m very fond of and experienced with Codeigniter. It would be nice to pull in a bit of extra cash doing something I love but I’m not I’m not currently convinced that I could single-handedly pull off the support/maintenance part of it. It seems that the big advantage of developing for the EE third-party market is that you’re typically dealing with folks that already expect to pay for stuff that many people can generally get for free with other CMSs. The trade-off, of course, being that the modules come with great support and are well maintained.

I guess I’ll be looking more seriously into EE soon.

]]> By: evoratec http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3910 evoratec Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:30:16 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3910 First, sorry for my bad english. EE must go free. The community, like WP, grow up and could bit a great slice of the market and the market is add-ons and service. What offer EE to me that WP actually don't ? Nothing. We have SEO, a lot of plugins, great interface, speed, gallerys, cms features, etc,etc, etc. Forums, buddypress, mu are free add-ons too We are in love with CI but it's not reasonable to pay for a blog add-on at this time. it´s my 2 cents. First, sorry for my bad english.

EE must go free. The community, like WP, grow up and could bit a great slice of the market and the market is add-ons and service.

What offer EE to me that WP actually don’t ? Nothing. We have SEO, a lot of plugins, great interface, speed, gallerys, cms features, etc,etc, etc. Forums, buddypress, mu are free add-ons too

We are in love with CI but it’s not reasonable to pay for a blog add-on at this time.

it´s my 2 cents.

]]> By: bjorn http://www.haughin.com/2009/11/04/expressionengine-2-codeigniter/comment-page-1/#comment-3908 bjorn Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:38:36 +0000 http://www.haughin.com/?p=697#comment-3908 I think this is great news for everyone; customers, developers & EllisLab. Competition will lead to better products, more products that don't exist today - and EE will be able to handle projects that it can't today (out of the box+addon). So, more customers, bigger pie, etc. George; an ExpressionEngine "AppStore" is a great idea! More and more business are going in this direction (Adobe has a Marketplace, FlashDen, etc.) I think this is great news for everyone; customers, developers & EllisLab. Competition will lead to better products, more products that don’t exist today – and EE will be able to handle projects that it can’t today (out of the box+addon). So, more customers, bigger pie, etc.

George; an ExpressionEngine “AppStore” is a great idea! More and more business are going in this direction (Adobe has a Marketplace, FlashDen, etc.)

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